Here Are Two Dodge Stealth R/T Turbos At The Extremes Of The Buying Spectrum
Once upon a time in the US of A, “car guys” would get into fistfights over Mustang versus Camaro, but they were always united in their hatred for anything foreign. Enter Chrysler, who struck a deal with Mitsubishi in the 1970s to import their cars with Chrysler badges, and later joined forces to create cars like the Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse. Apparently enough die-hard “buy American” buyers would fall for the shtick to make it all worthwhile.
And then in 1991 Chrysler wrapped the Mitsubishi 3000GT with some different sheet metal, stuck different badges on it and called it the Dodge Stealth. Unfortunately somebody decided the twin-turbo AWD version should be priced nearly as much as a Porsche 911, so those die-hard ‘Murican buyers generally couldn’t afford the Stealth. Those who could didn’t want to spend such money on a lowly Dodge, so they bought the identical 3000GT VR-4. Big surprise then that the Stealth only lasted for a few years and never really developed the same following the 3000GT enjoys, despite being the same car.
And that brings me to this week’s classifieds find, where I feature not one, but two Dodge Stealth R/Ts, in all their twin-turbo AWD glory. Why two? Because I love the Stealth, and think these ads showcase just how miscategorised and unappreciated this poor car was, and in many ways, still is today. And also because I want to show all you CTzens how not to try and sell a specialty high-performance vehicle.
First up, we have a 1991 Stealth R/T twin turbo for sale in Pennsylvania for the very tempting price of $3000. Now this isn’t a terrible ad, but folks, if you have a rare performance machine with two turbos, all-wheel drive, all-wheel steering and especially if it’s resale red, spend just a little bit of time to take a few decent photos, okay? Of the four photos accompanying this ad, three show some angle of the driver’s side exterior with one shot of what looks like a somewhat ricey interior.
Aside from that, the description is okay, if a bit tired in the “OMG I bought a car and now I’m over my head” kind of way. It’s listed as a running/driving car without rust and showing just 81,000 original miles. Sounds good, but it’s also listed as needing “a tune up,” and the seller just doesn’t have time to work on it. Yeah, that’s the second biggest selling cop-out since needs minor work. If it just needs a tune up, give it a tune up and ask more for a properly running car.
Of course, it almost certainly needs more than a tune up, since the seller also says it’s running rich, not hitting on all cylinders, and that it has bigger turbos and “a lot of engine work.” Anyone want to place bets that one or more cylinders are burnt to a crisp? But these cars can easily bring $10,000 in great shape, and I think the seller’s asking price of $3000 is very fair for a running/driving Stealth R/T turbo. It’s certainly under book value, so perhaps it’s worth a whirl.
And now we jump to the other side of the Stealth price spectrum. This 1993 model is selling at a dealer in North Carolina for just $18,900, which could almost be justified for a low-mile, all-original twin-turbo Stealth. This one has done 182,000 miles, so it’s not exactly a low-mile survivor. But the dealer is quick to mention “over $68,000 of engine, transmission, and suspension work done.” Interesting, but does that warrant an asking price that’s thousands over current full retail value?
At least this time there are plenty of pictures to give buyers an idea of the car’s condition. I find the torn driver’s seat to be particularly interesting, because if I drop $68,000 to revamp a car I certainly wouldn’t bother dropping another grand to repair the seat. And if I’m a dealer trying to get an absolute premium price for a specialty vehicle, I absolutely wouldn’t spend a few bucks to fix the freaking seat. That’s sarcasm by the way.
As for the engine/suspension/transmission work that cost as much as a good used Ferrari 360? The ad offers absolutely no information on any work done, not even a hint. But the engine photos do show a Biohazard battery cover and AEM sticker on a custom valve cover. I’m not questioning the validity of the statement; certainly that much cash would yield a huge list of mods, and listing them all would clutter an ad. But that is a very bold number to throw out there without one single detail to back it up.
It’s even more conspicuous when the pictures show the car isn’t perfect by any means, from rips in both front seats to what looks like some grime under the hood, and possibly some warping in the dash (I can’t definitively tell on that bit). Obviously the dealer is attempting to make the ad tantalising so potential buyers will call, but for me they’ve done the exact opposite. There’s too much that just doesn’t seem right without giving me any reason to care about the $68,000 repair/upgrade bill.
I like the Stealth. I think the twin-turbo R/Ts got a bad rap through the years because they just didn’t have a good target audience, and these two ads serve to showcase that. If I were Stealth shopping I’d be at least tempted to contact the seller on the first car, if for no other reason than to find out what he did wrong and see if it’s correctable. The second ad, well I’m just too turned off by the presentation to bother. $68,000 spent on a car with 182,000 miles that still shows some obvious flaws sounds more like a gimmick than a reason to call for more info. These cars are rare, but they aren’t that rare.
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Apparently these things are unreliable as hell, though.
only if the owner is incompetent
found my ‘96 3000GT SL for $4,200 w/92k miles literally 5 minutes from my house at a local garage. It has a noticeable lack of all the fancy things the vr-4 and r/t turbo had, but hey just less things to go wrong.
Not a fan of the stealths but I love my 94 VR-4, great car, responds to mods very well and can put out some outstanding power (600+ with stock frame turbos and fuel/tuning).
To end the misinformation the transmissions are incredibly strong. Huge gearsets and good synchros.
I was really tempted to buy one when I was in high school as a first car, but they were all around $10,000 for the 3000GT version which was almost three times my budget at the time. I ended up getting a Formula Firebird instead which I loved, but I always wonder from time to time what it would have been like to own one of these or the 3000GT.
well, at least this one runs on gas….
I’m on the hunt for a 99 3000gt VR-4 as my next daily, but I currently have a 91 TT Stealth. I will say there’s nothing really quite like them. Also, the people below are right, there’s several in the low 10s and the record for the platform is 9.21, and it’s possible that that car will run in the 8s this year. I mean, aren’t we playing with stock trans/rear Supras now? This car wasn’t as hyped as the other 90s Japanese rocketships so we never developed the aftermarket support and research that the Supra/RX7/NSX /GTR had. Only recently have people started to support the 3S and people are showing that it’s just as capable a platform as its 90s brethren. I mean, it’s not as cheap, sure, but it’s just as capable.
the car has been in the 8s for 10 years. matt broke into the 8s in the 2000s. currently nelson is the record holder with a low 8s pass in a car that could probably run 7’s if he could ever leave it alone long enough to make more then 1 pass in it
Who raided my search history?
Seriously, the red Stealth is on my local CL. I’ve wanted a Stealth for the longest time.
Also, talking to the shop(that is 3SX performance in Concord, NC, the shop that holds said 9.21 record) that has the second car listed, I feel like you guys want a reason why its so expensive.
“AEM car, forged motor, TD05’s and close to 600 at the wheels”
From what I can see it’s also been converted to a MAF system run by the AEM EMS setup. I do believe that the engine is the stock stroke 3.0, this car will outrun an R35 and a 458 with 600 AWHP.
There’s one just round the corner from me for $2500… doesn’t look great but doesn’t look horrific either.
I just can’t buy something with that amount of tech begging to go wrong.
Is a Twin turbo?
0.o why did the author do an article about a car he obviously doesn’t know much about. must be a slow day at car throttle