This post no longer reflects my views. Mostly.
Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.
Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.
"That's not a muscle car!"
I am absolutely SICK AND TIRED of hearing this bullsh*t everywhere. People are under the assumption that the newer muscle cars, the Camaro and Mustang, aren’t muscle cars, mostly due to their nimble aspects. Alternatively, people belive that f!cking European cars like the Mercedes Benz C63 AMG (great car though, my favorite German car, actually) are muscle cars.
Really?
First off, the Mustang a Camaro, whether you like them or not, ARE muscle cars. All muscle cars share the same general description:
-2 doors (except the Charger)
-4 seats
-V8 (except the GNX)
-RWD
-American-manufacturer (or Australian, in some cases).
What, you think that’s just my opinion? Read these:
Merriam-Webster states that a muscle car is “any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving”. Although a broad definition, it still stands.
The American Muscle Car Club says “A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on “regular” production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on” and “In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new ‘pony cars’ and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.”
The Mustang and Camaro fit in these descriptions perfectly.
"Hurr durr, handling."
Here’s a fun fact for you: You know the original Camaro Z28, the Camaro which everyone calls a muscle car, or has at some point? It had a revised suspension system and disc brakes STRICTLY for the purpose of handling. Not unlike the newer Z28 and ZL1, which everyone tends to call “non-muscle cars”.
Similarly, the original GT350s and GT500s came with bigger brakes, power steering, and upgraded suspension systems.
Fact is that muscle cars are meant to have a ton of performance at a decent price. And what does performance include? HANDLING. This means that the ones that can handle live up to the name perfectly, even if there wasn’t a set definition.
Need another example? Sure.
Another example? Sure.
Let’s say you run track, as with everyone in your family. You can take the straights pretty well, but you can’t go around the turns as quick as you’d like to. Your entire family is renowned for it, except for your brother, who is slightly better at it. You eventually have a son, who is a BOSS at taking the turns. Is he not your son because of the fact that he can around bends nicely? Hell no. This applies to muscle cars as well.
However, the “non-muscle car” term isn’t too wrong, I’ll admit.
Remember, muscle cars are still sports cars, because a sports car, as defined by good ol’ Wikipedia, is “A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling”. And modern muscle cars are what? That’s right; designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.
Too long, didn’t read? I’ll sum this up.
A muscle car is not a car that is only meant to drive straight really fast. A muscle car is not a really powerful non-turning vehicle. A muscle car is any car that is American (or Australian), V8, RWD, 2 doors, and 4 seats, meant for performance. Compared to other performance cars, a muscle car is comparatively cheaper. Handling does not factor in.
What, you thought I was done, here? Nope.
This doesn’t just apply to muscle cars.
Many, MANY cars throughout modern times have constantly been misclassified simply because they are lacking or winning in one area. Take, for instance, the MX-5.
Older.
Older.
OLDER.
That’s the one. The MX-5 NA, which people rag on about it having “not enough power”, therefore making them say it isn’t a sports car.
Lemme repeat what has already been said.
“A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.”
No one mentioned power, here. Power has nothing to do with it. Besides, there have been many cars preceding the MX-5, and what do people call those vehicles?
SPORTS CARS.
Plus, people always say that the BRZ/GT86/FR-S are sports cars, yet only have a little extra power! Really? That is absolutely ridiculous.
“It’s a rally car, bro!”
Another one which pisses me off to the millionth power is when people call WRX STis, Evos, and cars like them “Rally cars”, especially when people lower and stance them.
The amount of sense this makes is literally non-existent.
First, the definition of rallying breaks this logic.
According to Wikipedia, “Rallying is a form of motorsport that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars.” The key words here are “specially built road-legal cars”. From the factory, STis and Evos are NOT able to compete in rally, because they are bone stock, and not specially built. There are regulations and requirements needed to compete in rally, and the latter cars wouldn’t be allowed to compete.
Even if they were allowed to compete in their stock states, they would not be able to keep up with the actual rally cars. The suspension systems on these cars are much too low, and would not be suitable for bumpy tracks. They’re meant for tarmac roads, not dirt roads.
Second, they’re not safe.
Your car has to have a safety/roll cage installed. If you were to roll over after a jump (due to your illegal suspension, probably), you’d smash your head.
Third, they can’t compete.
They’re much too heavy to keep up with the lightweight rally cars, and the gears are too long, as well. The acceleration would be abysmal in comparison. Plus, like I said before, their suspension systems are too short.
Simply put, they aren’t rally cars, so stancing them is fine (in some cases, dumb, but fine).
Before you enter the comment section and make some long-winded comment about how I’m wrong (like I probably would, not gonna deny it), just know that you shouldn’t go throwing around random terms of cars without knowing the full definition behind them. STis are not rally cars, Miatas are sports cars, and ZL1s/GT350rs + the like are muscle cars. I guess you also now know the full logic behind my comments.
I guess that’ll wrap things up, here. Tis’ been Flux of CarThrottle. Peace. :D
P.S. THE ZL1 IS A MUSCLE CAR
Comments
Very nice post, I think you changed my mind about Evos (I still love them like my life) and STIs, I mean yes they’re based on the rally cars but not are prepared in the correctly way for that, good blog 😁👌
Oh, I didn’t expect that! lol
Thank you!
You are like me when people say “Tomb Rider” instead of “Tomb Raider” and “Laura” instead of “Lara”, Mr. Saleen!
It triggers me so much like the car related mistakes that you mentioned!
LOL! Glad to see someone knows how it feels. :D
Great blogpost!
Thank you!
I would just say that Muscle car is a subcategory. IMO there are 3 main categories:
Sports car, Truck/SUV and Heavy Duty. And the subcategories are the rest that relate to the main category.
Exactly!
what about sedans though lol
That can’t be right. There are many car types that just don’t fit any category here. Economy cars, hatchbacks, wagons, sedans and more. So yeah, those 3 are not enough.
The Subaru WRX STI has a lower and stiffer suspension so it’s clearly not a rally car
Exactly! No rally car has low suspension. It needs to have enough height to clear jumps and bumps, or it’s bye-bye to your suspension mounts and oil pan.
The ZL1 is my favorite muscle car.
In that case, have this:
I agree, but ¿there is any option to say “euro muscle” or japanese muscle”?,
A citroen saxo VTS IS a sports car ¿right?
I recognise about the “rally cars”, but….. dayummmm
Well, not exactly. They are what you could call “honorary muscle cars”. They are as close to muscle cars as you can get, without being muscle cars.
The Saxo VTS isn’t a sports car (it’s a hatchback). It is a hot hatch, which is like a sports car, just…a hatch.
Agreed! The things people say about what a specific car should be link is ridiculous. That is what I like to call Carina.
*carism
Tell me one thing. If sports cars are small by definition, then how tf is a muscle car as spots car by this definition. Imprezas and Evos are not rally cars stock, that’s true, but are a good base for one, so the can easlt become a rally car, because of (again) the definition. Key words: ‘modified production […] cars’. I agree with the last one, sports car doesn’t have to have more power than (insert number) to be a sports car. Back to muscle cars now. Yes they can corner ok, maybe even good, but something this big and heavy will never corner as good as lighter spots cars. Well, I mean stock, not modded to 11. That’s all the things I don’t really agree on, or sth.
If you look at certain muscle cars, like the Mustang GT, you’ll see that it’s on a frame that isn’t too large in comparison to similar vehicles. Plus, it’s for spirited driving. So, it is a sports car. That isn’t to say that all muscle cars are sports cars, though. Take the 69 Charger. That this is American muscle in noun form, and exhibits no features that a sports car would have.
Makes sense?
2015 Ford Mustang dimensions.
Length: 188.3 inches.
Width: 75.4 inches.
Height: 54.4 inches.
Wheelbase: 107.1 inches.
2014 Jaguar XK dimensions.
Length: 188.7 inches.
Width: 74.5 inches.
Height: 52.0 inches.
Wheelbase: 108.3 inches.
In reality the Sixth Gen Mustang is barely any bigger than an XK, so it could fit in the Sports Car category just fine. I think the Mustang just looks big, rather than actually being big. Aesthetically it looks bigger than it really is. Even the Viper gives the same visual illusion.
Allot of newer ctzens have a post to learn from! Also… Im not sure how to catagorize the v6 mustang and camaro… Theyve got v6s in a muscle body which, some people would say wouldnt make it a sports car. The buick GNX was a muscle car, (was it though?) And it had a turbo v6
The GNX is a muscle car, if you ask me. It’s just too much like a muscle car to not be one. Plus, the Regal of that year did have a V8 option, so…
Also, V6 Camaros and Mustangs are pony cars. They are 2 cylinders short of muscle.