This post no longer reflects my views. Mostly.
Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.
Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.
"That's not a muscle car!"
I am absolutely SICK AND TIRED of hearing this bullsh*t everywhere. People are under the assumption that the newer muscle cars, the Camaro and Mustang, aren’t muscle cars, mostly due to their nimble aspects. Alternatively, people belive that f!cking European cars like the Mercedes Benz C63 AMG (great car though, my favorite German car, actually) are muscle cars.
Really?
First off, the Mustang a Camaro, whether you like them or not, ARE muscle cars. All muscle cars share the same general description:
-2 doors (except the Charger)
-4 seats
-V8 (except the GNX)
-RWD
-American-manufacturer (or Australian, in some cases).
What, you think that’s just my opinion? Read these:
Merriam-Webster states that a muscle car is “any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving”. Although a broad definition, it still stands.
The American Muscle Car Club says “A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on “regular” production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on” and “In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new ‘pony cars’ and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.”
The Mustang and Camaro fit in these descriptions perfectly.
"Hurr durr, handling."
Here’s a fun fact for you: You know the original Camaro Z28, the Camaro which everyone calls a muscle car, or has at some point? It had a revised suspension system and disc brakes STRICTLY for the purpose of handling. Not unlike the newer Z28 and ZL1, which everyone tends to call “non-muscle cars”.
Similarly, the original GT350s and GT500s came with bigger brakes, power steering, and upgraded suspension systems.
Fact is that muscle cars are meant to have a ton of performance at a decent price. And what does performance include? HANDLING. This means that the ones that can handle live up to the name perfectly, even if there wasn’t a set definition.
Need another example? Sure.
Another example? Sure.
Let’s say you run track, as with everyone in your family. You can take the straights pretty well, but you can’t go around the turns as quick as you’d like to. Your entire family is renowned for it, except for your brother, who is slightly better at it. You eventually have a son, who is a BOSS at taking the turns. Is he not your son because of the fact that he can around bends nicely? Hell no. This applies to muscle cars as well.
However, the “non-muscle car” term isn’t too wrong, I’ll admit.
Remember, muscle cars are still sports cars, because a sports car, as defined by good ol’ Wikipedia, is “A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling”. And modern muscle cars are what? That’s right; designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.
Too long, didn’t read? I’ll sum this up.
A muscle car is not a car that is only meant to drive straight really fast. A muscle car is not a really powerful non-turning vehicle. A muscle car is any car that is American (or Australian), V8, RWD, 2 doors, and 4 seats, meant for performance. Compared to other performance cars, a muscle car is comparatively cheaper. Handling does not factor in.
What, you thought I was done, here? Nope.
This doesn’t just apply to muscle cars.
Many, MANY cars throughout modern times have constantly been misclassified simply because they are lacking or winning in one area. Take, for instance, the MX-5.
Older.
Older.
OLDER.
That’s the one. The MX-5 NA, which people rag on about it having “not enough power”, therefore making them say it isn’t a sports car.
Lemme repeat what has already been said.
“A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.”
No one mentioned power, here. Power has nothing to do with it. Besides, there have been many cars preceding the MX-5, and what do people call those vehicles?
SPORTS CARS.
Plus, people always say that the BRZ/GT86/FR-S are sports cars, yet only have a little extra power! Really? That is absolutely ridiculous.
“It’s a rally car, bro!”
Another one which pisses me off to the millionth power is when people call WRX STis, Evos, and cars like them “Rally cars”, especially when people lower and stance them.
The amount of sense this makes is literally non-existent.
First, the definition of rallying breaks this logic.
According to Wikipedia, “Rallying is a form of motorsport that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars.” The key words here are “specially built road-legal cars”. From the factory, STis and Evos are NOT able to compete in rally, because they are bone stock, and not specially built. There are regulations and requirements needed to compete in rally, and the latter cars wouldn’t be allowed to compete.
Even if they were allowed to compete in their stock states, they would not be able to keep up with the actual rally cars. The suspension systems on these cars are much too low, and would not be suitable for bumpy tracks. They’re meant for tarmac roads, not dirt roads.
Second, they’re not safe.
Your car has to have a safety/roll cage installed. If you were to roll over after a jump (due to your illegal suspension, probably), you’d smash your head.
Third, they can’t compete.
They’re much too heavy to keep up with the lightweight rally cars, and the gears are too long, as well. The acceleration would be abysmal in comparison. Plus, like I said before, their suspension systems are too short.
Simply put, they aren’t rally cars, so stancing them is fine (in some cases, dumb, but fine).
Before you enter the comment section and make some long-winded comment about how I’m wrong (like I probably would, not gonna deny it), just know that you shouldn’t go throwing around random terms of cars without knowing the full definition behind them. STis are not rally cars, Miatas are sports cars, and ZL1s/GT350rs + the like are muscle cars. I guess you also now know the full logic behind my comments.
I guess that’ll wrap things up, here. Tis’ been Flux of CarThrottle. Peace. :D
P.S. THE ZL1 IS A MUSCLE CAR
Comments
Would you consider the Chevy SS to be a muscle car? It fits in all categories:)
Actually, I think it could qualify. Yeah, it probably could!
Would you consider that first wrx sti a track car?
Not exactly; it’s too low. It could be decent on track though, but we’ll never know for sure.
some long-winded comment about how you’re wrong
Great post.
Thanks!
Sorry to say this, especially after a well written article, but the Mustang and Camaro aren’t true muscle cars. The mustang coined the proper term when it came out in 1964. They’re pony cars, more purpose built as a kind of 2+2 sports car, while also being more affordable. True muscle cars were more like the Chevelle, Impala SS, Carger, Coronet Super Bee, Fairlane Thunderbolt, Galaxy 427 R codes. Pony cars were the middle ground between big, heavy, brash muscle cars and smaller, more nimble sports cars.
Not in my eyes.
agreed
Going by definitions and history, all the “muscle” cars thrown in the article are just “pony” cars. The mustard and the craparo were never muscle. The Camaro still had it going along with the full size chevelle, but coming down to modern age, the impo6was lost.
Y’know, you realize lose credibility when you insult what you’re trying to define.
Before we hurt ourselves, “muscle car” is a term that is defined by every individual on its own. If you want to call a v6 a muscle car, go ahead; and also if you don’t need good handling it’s your decision. If it is one thing that i learned from this post, is that you can’t categorizes all cars.
…yes you can. I literally did. I’m not saying “you can’t”, I’m saying “you shouldn’t; it’s incorrect”.
Also, it being defined by person to person isn’t exactly correct. If sonething has a set definition, then you call it by that definition. Like, you wouldn’t call an elephant an H&K G36C.
I’m gonna have to deal with so many people who didn’t get it. F*ck.
I believe there would be some exceptions to the v8 qualifier for being a muscle car. My stock 4 cylinder turbo thunderbird had 190 hp from the factory and the 5.0l v8 lx model had 195 hp. and the turbo coupe was faster (due to aerodynamic differences and many other things)
I dunno about all that.
I agree with the muscle, and sports car thing, but no so much as the Rally car bit. The Impreza’s are a great choice for getting into beginner rally cross races. The WRX/STi’s really just need the fuel cell, and roll cage, and you’re good to go.
You don’t need to be competing in a professional Rally event to go do some Rallying. Hell, when I was younger I use to take a 95 Buick Lesabre out onto dirt roads and do my own sort of rallying. Even got together with some friends, and set out a course to race. So in a sense, any vehicle could theoretically be a rally car if you have the balls, and idiocy to drive it like it is.
If any car can be a rally car, then that would make the category null and void
Sorry, but just because something can do something, doesn’t make it something. If a car got the exact same ‘Ring time as the 918, you wouldn’t call that car a 918, right?