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Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.

This post no longer reflects my views. Mostly.

Hello, CT. My name is Flux, and welcome to another one of my blogs. This time, it’s not gonna be about GBU, or a list or whatever. This is gonna be a rant, a rant I’ve been working on for weeks on an issue that refuses to die. And I’M going to put it to rest, for good.

"That's not a muscle car!"

It IS a muscle car, sod off.
It IS a muscle car, sod off.

I am absolutely SICK AND TIRED of hearing this bullsh*t everywhere. People are under the assumption that the newer muscle cars, the Camaro and Mustang, aren’t muscle cars, mostly due to their nimble aspects. Alternatively, people belive that f!cking European cars like the Mercedes Benz C63 AMG (great car though, my favorite German car, actually) are muscle cars.
Really?

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First off, the Mustang a Camaro, whether you like them or not, ARE muscle cars. All muscle cars share the same general description:

-2 doors (except the Charger)

-4 seats

-V8 (except the GNX)

-RWD

-American-manufacturer (or Australian, in some cases).

What, you think that’s just my opinion? Read these:

Merriam-Webster states that a muscle car is “any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving”. Although a broad definition, it still stands.

The American Muscle Car Club says “A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on “regular” production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on” and “In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new ‘pony cars’ and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.”

The Mustang and Camaro fit in these descriptions perfectly.

"Hurr durr, handling."

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Here’s a fun fact for you: You know the original Camaro Z28, the Camaro which everyone calls a muscle car, or has at some point? It had a revised suspension system and disc brakes STRICTLY for the purpose of handling. Not unlike the newer Z28 and ZL1, which everyone tends to call “non-muscle cars”.

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Similarly, the original GT350s and GT500s came with bigger brakes, power steering, and upgraded suspension systems.

Fact is that muscle cars are meant to have a ton of performance at a decent price. And what does performance include? HANDLING. This means that the ones that can handle live up to the name perfectly, even if there wasn’t a set definition.

Need another example? Sure.

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Another example? Sure.

Let’s say you run track, as with everyone in your family. You can take the straights pretty well, but you can’t go around the turns as quick as you’d like to. Your entire family is renowned for it, except for your brother, who is slightly better at it. You eventually have a son, who is a BOSS at taking the turns. Is he not your son because of the fact that he can around bends nicely? Hell no. This applies to muscle cars as well.

However, the “non-muscle car” term isn’t too wrong, I’ll admit.

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Remember, muscle cars are still sports cars, because a sports car, as defined by good ol’ Wikipedia, is “A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling”. And modern muscle cars are what? That’s right; designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.

Too long, didn’t read? I’ll sum this up.

A muscle car is not a car that is only meant to drive straight really fast. A muscle car is not a really powerful non-turning vehicle. A muscle car is any car that is American (or Australian), V8, RWD, 2 doors, and 4 seats, meant for performance. Compared to other performance cars, a muscle car is comparatively cheaper. Handling does not factor in.

What, you thought I was done, here? Nope.

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This doesn’t just apply to muscle cars.

Many, MANY cars throughout modern times have constantly been misclassified simply because they are lacking or winning in one area. Take, for instance, the MX-5.

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Older.

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Older.

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OLDER.

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That’s the one. The MX-5 NA, which people rag on about it having “not enough power”, therefore making them say it isn’t a sports car.

Lemme repeat what has already been said.

“A sports car is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.”

No one mentioned power, here. Power has nothing to do with it. Besides, there have been many cars preceding the MX-5, and what do people call those vehicles?

SPORTS CARS.

Plus, people always say that the BRZ/GT86/FR-S are sports cars, yet only have a little extra power! Really? That is absolutely ridiculous.

“It’s a rally car, bro!”

No it isn’t, you uncultured, unlearned, and unobservant swine.
No it isn’t, you uncultured, unlearned, and unobservant swine.

Another one which pisses me off to the millionth power is when people call WRX STis, Evos, and cars like them “Rally cars”, especially when people lower and stance them.
The amount of sense this makes is literally non-existent.

First, the definition of rallying breaks this logic.

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According to Wikipedia, “Rallying is a form of motorsport that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars.” The key words here are “specially built road-legal cars”. From the factory, STis and Evos are NOT able to compete in rally, because they are bone stock, and not specially built. There are regulations and requirements needed to compete in rally, and the latter cars wouldn’t be allowed to compete.

Even if they were allowed to compete in their stock states, they would not be able to keep up with the actual rally cars. The suspension systems on these cars are much too low, and would not be suitable for bumpy tracks. They’re meant for tarmac roads, not dirt roads.

Second, they’re not safe.

I got the least-scarring picture on Google available, to save your eyes.
I got the least-scarring picture on Google available, to save your eyes.

Your car has to have a safety/roll cage installed. If you were to roll over after a jump (due to your illegal suspension, probably), you’d smash your head.

Third, they can’t compete.

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They’re much too heavy to keep up with the lightweight rally cars, and the gears are too long, as well. The acceleration would be abysmal in comparison. Plus, like I said before, their suspension systems are too short.

Simply put, they aren’t rally cars, so stancing them is fine (in some cases, dumb, but fine).

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Before you enter the comment section and make some long-winded comment about how I’m wrong (like I probably would, not gonna deny it), just know that you shouldn’t go throwing around random terms of cars without knowing the full definition behind them. STis are not rally cars, Miatas are sports cars, and ZL1s/GT350rs + the like are muscle cars. I guess you also now know the full logic behind my comments.

I guess that’ll wrap things up, here. Tis’ been Flux of CarThrottle. Peace. :D

P.S. THE ZL1 IS A MUSCLE CAR

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Comments

Anonymous

Bravo!

04/07/2017 - 08:41 |
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[Flux]

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

Thanks!

04/07/2017 - 14:53 |
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Anonymous

Did you eat anything spicy before Writing this blog?

04/07/2017 - 09:13 |
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[Flux]

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

Lol no

04/07/2017 - 14:53 |
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Anonymous

Subaru WRX STI’s and Evo’s may not be able to compete in a rally in bone stock form, but if you were to add a rollcage, FIA-approved racing seats, a five-point harness, and a fire extinguisher in the passenger footwell, you’d be able to take part, and in a tarmac rally, such as Rally Corsica, they’d still be competitive, at least in the lower classes. And the necessary mods would only cost about £6500, and bearing in mind that decent examples can be bought for about £6000 in the UK, its not massively expensive either

04/07/2017 - 10:04 |
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Anonymous

You don’t necessarily need a V8 to be a muscle car or be the top model, just be a model that has more performance than most cars of the price range. The Buick Grand National (and Regal T Type) are muscle cars with only a V6 and a 383 ‘Cuda would be a muscle car even though it’s not the 426 Hemi, yet the Mustang II King Cobra was the top model at the time, but not a muscle car and a 6 cylinder Camaro wouldn’t be either.

Let me know your view on this, everything else I agree with.

Also, to those comparing a Mercedes to a Hellcat, that’s not right, try the SRT8 or Scat Pack, every era of muscle car had the expensive models, such as 6 Pack hemis, whereas the 440 was much cheaper and not much less powerful and the 383 was even cheaper

04/07/2017 - 10:07 |
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Dat Incredible Chadkake

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

good point…

04/07/2017 - 14:15 |
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[Flux]

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

I dunno…I’m thinking of revising my post at some point, so I’ll do some more research on this bit here.

04/07/2017 - 14:53 |
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Anonymous

MUSCLE IS JUST POWWWWAAAAAAAA THE HANDLING OERFORMANCE IS COINCIDENTAL
remember POWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHH

04/07/2017 - 10:33 |
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Dat Incredible Chadkake

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

you’ve got a good point there

04/07/2017 - 14:15 |
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[Flux]

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

Not really.

04/07/2017 - 14:53 |
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Joel Lundin

Is its really this important to label everything? This is the longest post I’ve seen on here so far and it’s about labels and It somewhat maddens me a little. Why do everyone have such a need to label everything?

04/07/2017 - 11:01 |
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No, it’s when people *incorrectly” label things that the problem arises.

04/07/2017 - 14:54 |
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Pierce Tolar

You really shouldnt use wikipedia and merriam webster to try and prove your point. I agree with you for the most part just saying.

04/07/2017 - 11:47 |
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LOL okay, I’ll remember to cite more sources.

04/07/2017 - 14:55 |
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Anonymous

Thank you!

04/07/2017 - 13:25 |
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[Flux]

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NP m89

04/07/2017 - 14:54 |
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boss390

You’re my man, ypu know that! Thanks for that article! Becuase Mustangs and Camaros have always been muscle cars of right equipped. A muscle car is when you have a rather compact car and shoehorn V8s from full size cars in it. Or they have small blocks that rev totally high and are powerful and food for track racing, like Boss 302 and Z/28

04/07/2017 - 13:36 |
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Exactly! Glad to hear it.

04/07/2017 - 14:55 |
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JustAnotherEvoFan

FINALLY SOMEONE MADE ONE, FINALLY THEY ARE NOT RALLY CARS

04/07/2017 - 14:50 |
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Hey, glad I could defeat the issue lmao

04/07/2017 - 14:51 |
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