What's Good And Bad About Rear-Mounted Turbochargers
Turbocharger placement - it’s an age old problem in the business of modifying car. Engine compartments can be cramped places, so fitting in one or more snails and all the associated parts isn’t easy.
An alternative placement for a turbocharger is to have it rear-mounted as part of the exhaust system, replacing the silencer/backbox with the turbine and multiple routes of additional tubing. Although these systems may look fairly impressive and offer what may seem like a bunch of advantages to a standard turbocharged system, is a rear-mounted turbo a genuine option?
Advantages
Seeing as the turbocharger increases the energy of the air by compressing it, the air exits the turbine in an extremely hot state which is normally where an intercooler comes in. Engines prefer colder, denser air to compress within the cylinders so intercooler are then used to cool the intake air to the engine from a turbo system. Having a turbo rear-mounted means that as the charge air from the turbocharger travels back to the engine, it is simultaneously cooled by the ambient air running underneath the car, saving the need for an intercooler.
The increased cooling effects also helps oil cooling, a very important aspect of reliable turbocharging. The oil circulating around the turbine is used for both the lubrication and cooling of the system - a lack of fluid can spell disaster for the turbocharger. The vast flow of cold air under the car will therefore help in keeping the oil cool and keeping the turbocharger operating smoothly.
It is estimated that a rear-mounted turbocharger will produce 260 degrees centigrade less heat build up than a front-mounted unit nestled in an engine bay. The huge amount of heat generated by a turbocharger can have an influence on other components nearby that don’t deal well with heat, like the engine block and engine cooling system, so rear-mounting takes away any possible effects of heat soak from a turbocharger to unwanted areas.
Disadvantages
Although all of those points seem to make a whole lot of sense, things aren’t all hunky-dory. First of all, there’s the sheer amount of tubing that has to be placed below the car to integrate the turbo. All of that compressed air from the turbo has to get back to the engine to be forced back into the cylinders, so intricate piping has to be put in place to achieve this.
This is also applicable for the oil system which will need a long feed from the sump to function properly, or a bespoke oil reservoir put in place to cope with the demands of the hot turbocharger.
Also, if all this tubing isn’t designed properly - with the right increases and decreases in diameter (especially to match the turbocharger inlet) - turbo lag will become a serious issue. With the turbocharger not being situated in close proximity to the inlet manifold, natural lag will be present as the compressed air has to travel further to reach the engine’s cylinders. Although this can be combated with a finely-tuned tubing system, most bolt-on kits will probably not be 100 per cent suited to your car’s powertrain.
Turbocharger efficiency can take a bit of a hit when compared to a standard engine bay placement or a hot-V setup. The intake air to the turbocharger will have cooled by the time it reaches the area once filled by the backbox as it travels down the exhaust system. As stated before, the turbocharger prefers nice hot air to function to its maximum capabilities, meaning that this natural cooling will reduce the turbine’s efficiency.
A turbocharger also thrives when large pulses of exhaust gases are sent through its inlet, but unfortunately these pulses will have decreased in size by the time they reach a rear-mounted system. This lack of pre-existing kinetic energy within the exhaust gas flow will further stump the turbocharger’s efficiency.
Forums are littered with arguments over rear-mounted turbo systems and whether they’re worth it, and in most cases the general rule is that they are not worth the hassle. The sheer amount of intricate plumbing needed to keep the system functioning properly is a hellish project to undertake and many of the cooling benefits are vastly outweighed by the lack of heat that a rear-mounted turbo would suffer from.
They may look dank, but I’d personally keep to the traditional engine bay cram, mostly because you don’t want that wonderful choo-choo to be wasted on everyone behind you!
Comment below with your thoughts on a rear-mounted setup, or if you already have one!
Comments
I always wondered about air getting into these systems. Up front you can use a bit of the ram air effect to help feel the turbo air. Underneath it always seemed to me that a turbo would have a harder time getting all the air it needs. Especially since many vehicles air dam is specifically designed to smooth the air flow under a vehicle. There is also the issue of wet roads and that moisture being kicked up by tires. Sure the heat of the turbo will burn it off. But it has to have some effect I’d imagine.
The turbo sucks air in, it doesnt need to be forced into the turbine housing because thats its f*¥king job
Hot turbo + cold water = bad
idling in traffic with exhaust going through wouldn’t be good…
Very informative. I’m not understanding everything (language barrier and my knowledge), but I’m just trying to understand and learn what you’re posting. Untill a few days ago, I actually didn’t know you could put turbo’s at the exhausts.
Ps. I’m wondering how people are able to read and upvote this in less than 4 minutes.
Turbos are always driven by the exhaust ;)
Pros : LOOK AT MAH TURBO BRUH!
Cons: Poor efficiency, less power, loads of pissing about getting the oil to feed/drain properly, shedloads of lag, loads of tubing to package under the car, sudden phobia of speedbumps….
#hellaflush #-0.8barBoost
I don’t get this, how come 911 Turbos have rear mounted turbos and don’t seem to suffer the disadvantages that much. Is Porsche doing witchcraft?
You gave me one hell of a laugh xD 911 have their engine rear mounted ,not in the front , the turbos are in the engine bay x)
The witchcraft is called rear-engined layout :)
tfw the bait works
It’s because Bush did 911
Porche has a rear mounted engine
Space wouldn’t be an issue for me. My car that I want to turbocharge is identical to this minus the turbo. The space in front of the engine is filled with nothing but a plastic cover behind the radiator fan, remove said cover and I could LITERALLY stand between the engine and radiator. Heaps of room for a turbo setup
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff333/AGI78_VP/latest.jpg
I was always curious about these and the issue of road debris and sand and water getting in the air filters before the turbos, if there even are any
Benefit: they look cool af
thats only for rear engined cars though
Well, on Porsches you have to install the turbos in the front to be the cool kid in town ;)
Extra disadvantage if you racing they can hit in the back and y loose that BOOST and lose the race
So now you can have 4 turbos and the risk of your car blowing up. fantastic.
But what if I want to put an LS in my Miata and then turbocharge the LS. A turbo/supercharger wouldn’t fit in the engine bay, so the rear is a good spot.
Stick it through your hood.
There is a turbo ls swapped miata.. it is in fact a rear mounted turbo.. but the car is only like 8ft long, so there’s not a lot of piping I’d imagine
Placing the turbo would be the last of your problem 😂😂😂
lol i have actually seen a miata on 1320 video with the exact setup. ls, rear turbo, etc.