Why I’d Have A Renaultsport Megane Cup-S Over The Faster And Crazier Honda Civic Type R
It’s easy to forget the Renaultsport Megane amidst a manufacturer mega-hatch arms race. For starters, the Civic Type R just trounced the RS’ front-wheel drive Nurburgring record, albeit in a pre-production car with a sodding great roll cage installed. And then, just when we were getting used to the idea of a £30,000 hot hatch lapping the Nordschleife quicker than recent releases from Ferrari and Porsche, Ford came along and pretty much said ‘FWD? LOLZ!’ with an all-wheel drive drift missile for the same price. Seat meanwhile made some mild changes to its Leon Cupra in a desperate attempt to appear relevant.
But in the Renault corner? Well, the regular Megane was replaced, and not long after, Renault revealed the cut-price Megane Cup-S, seemingly akin to a stock clearance special to shift a few more cars while the RS boffins cooked up this successor.
So, despite no 300bhp+ power outputs or fancy all-wheel drive drift button shenanigans, is it worth bothering with? Having brought one together with our ‘own’ Honda Civic Type R longtermer, it’s time to find out.
My first impressions? My, doesn’t that Renault look understated - pretty, even - next to the Honda with its festooning of wings and downright odd proportions. The older car here is the more sophisticated one, and as its £23,995 starting price undercuts the Type R’s base price by a whopping £6000, it’s by far the cheapest. Or it should’ve been…
Thanks to a load of options including a £2500 Akrapovic titanium exhaust (fruity, but not worth the cash), £2000 Ohlins Road and Track Dampers (worth the cash) and £1300 Recaro bucket seats (undecided), the Cup-S you see here costs £33,555. More than our top-spec ‘GT’ Type R’s £32,300 asking price, which is as expensive as you can make the Civic. The same can’t be said for the Megane - if you’re feeling frivolous enough you can punt the Renault over £35,000.
But that’s enough focus on price. Because firstly the boggo Cup-S is reasonably equipped, so it’s still a bargain if you go easy on the options. And secondly, what’s more important here is the way these two drive. So first up, let’s assess the Civic.
I’m well aware of what the Type R is like when you’re pressing on, but a brief stint in the Megane highlights its traits. And its driving personality matches the way it looks: it’s an unsubtle, sledgehammer of a thing to pilot, keen to bludgeon its way through any road you stick in front of it. The late Muhammad Ali’s mantra was to ‘float like a butterfly, sting like a bee’, an ideal that could be applied in the world of cars. But I suspect the Type R would rather stamp on the nearest butterfly and skip straight to the stinging part. Then kick your grandmother in the face for good measure.
+R mode is - as I’ve explained before - too firm for the road, but even with it off the suspension is stiff, so on some surfaces the Civic starts to feel nervous and skip about. For the most part though, you can expect extraordinary front-end grip, and a feeling of being dragged out of every corner as you stamp on the throttle as hard as you dare. Body roll is barely perceptible, so perhaps that uncompromisingly hard suspension isn’t such a bad thing.
It’s a similar story of brutishness with the power delivery: unlike pretty much every other modern turbo engine I’ve sampled lately, the Type R’s 2.0-litre unit feels decidedly boosty. It doesn’t hide its turbocharged nature: there’s a complete lack of activity before 3000rpm - despite VTEC being deployed here to boost low-end torque - a savage burst of power thereafter, and a very audible chuff from the wastegate every time you back off the throttle.
With the Honda ticking itself cool and the Renault’s stupid credit card-shaped key fob in my hand, it’s time for a refresher course in the ways of Renaultsport. And lordy, I’d forgotten just how brilliant these RS Meganes are. It’s a car that sends reams of glorious feedback through the steering to your fingertips, and through the chassis to your arse. It means that very quickly, you find yourself pushing to the limits of what the Cup-S can do, because you have the confidence of feeling exactly how it’s interacting with the tarmac.
Pretty soon, I’m starting to wash wide. It’s clear the Civic has a lot more front-end grip and has a stiffer set-up, but that doesn’t matter. Those pricey Ohlins dampers give the Renault a level of finesse you don’t find in the Honda, and once you mix the feedback into the equation, you have a much more delicate car that’s amazingly entertaining to drive. And that’s before you factor in what the rear is up to.
Both under braking and backing off at the right moment, you feel the rear wanting to move forward, and that extra level or wiggly-arsed-adjustability just isn’t something you get in the Civic.
Something else you don’t get is a linear(ish) power delivery. Yes, there’s a strong mid-range, but there’s none of the lag or the boosty nature of the Honda’s engine: just a crisp delivery and a much more satisfying, growly induction noise. What’s more, despite a power deficit - 271bhp to the Civic’s 306bhp - it’s barely slower, completing the benchmark 0-62mph sprint just a tenth slower in 5.9 seconds.
Certainly sounds like advantage Megane thus far, but it’s not all going the way of the Gallic contender. The gear change is perfectly fine, but no more than that: the Civic’s shift is shorter and has a spectacularly satisfying mechanical action, and what’s more you don’t get the same God-awful beep the Renault lets out every time you reach the red line. If I owned one of these, the first thing I’d do is find the right fuse to rip out and shut that thing the hell up.
As I’m slowing down to pull in and start Snapchatting, I pay a little more attention to my surroundings, and quickly miss the Civic’s quirky and solid cabin. The Megane’s interior is much more dull, feels a lot more flimsy, and the optional Recaro seats just aren’t as supportive as the Honda’s standard chairs. The instrument binnacle is particularly depressing; injecting a little more pizazz wouldn’t have been that hard, surely?
But I don’t care, I love the Megane. It feels amazing to drive, I prefer the… oh, hang on, it won’t start. A momentary blip, surely? That’s what I’m hoping, but I’ve just locked it, unlocked it and tried again, but nada. Another attempt, and nothing. All I get is a little ‘donk’ from under the bonnet as I hit the starter button. Now, it would be wrong to draw any conclusions from a single breakdown, but it really doesn’t help certain car stereotypes that the Japanese machine is still A-OK, and the French car has thrown a hissy fit and is refusing to play ball…
Fast forward a week, and the Cup-S has just been dropped back on my drive, having gone back to Renault over the weekend. Despite the recovery man’s insistence that the issue was either a broken starter motor or a bad connection, it turned out to be a simple blown fuse. Thankfully an easy fix, which means it’s back in my hands to enjoy a little more.
And that’s the key with this car: enjoyment. It can’t do what the Honda does, which is astonish you with its absurd front-end grip, rabid power delivery and searing cross-country pace. The Honda feels like it’s moved the game on much further (with the Focus RS probably moving it further still, but unlike my colleagues I’m yet to have a shot in one), but the simple fact is I find the Renault more fun to drive, and I suspect a lot of petrolheads out there would happily lose a bit of ability for that.
I prefer having all that extra feedback, I prefer its wiggly arse, and I prefer its more linear power delivery. No other car in this class feels quite so tactile, so we just have to pray that the next one pulls off the same trick.
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I was driving on a duel carriageway a couple of weeks ago, going reasonably quick and out of nowhere a renaultsport megane, mini countryman and new vw scirocco came over the hill and overtook me doing approximately 120-130 mph, was quite impressive
To all the “smart” guys that say that Renaults are unreliable, get one and then tell me.
If you believe everything you read on the internet, you’re not really smart. Try before judging mindlessly.
Because idiot!
I have owned a Megane 275 Trophy for around a year now, and all I can say is that I never experienced any other FWD drive car that gives you that level of feedback and confidence to push on even harder. To be fair, I haven’t driven the Type R yet (which just isn’t my cup of tea, visually) but I can understand what Matt means when talking about feedback and adjustability. I haven driven a lot of other hot hatches before and also own other sports cars alongside, but it struck me in awe how good the Megané is in directing yourself to push yourself always further to the limit.
No car has done this for me to this extent, which is why I’m already struggling to sell it (I usually don’t keep my cars longer than 1-2 years). I’m not sure if I would find anything in the same price bracket that does what the Renault does, and what I will probably do is either keep it or sell it and put the funds as addition into another of my car ‘slots’ than trying to find a replacement. I’m fully aware that there are a lot of good AWD cars out there, but I haven’t driven the one that gives you the same sensation on the limit. And to be honest, I’m not sure if RenaultSport will be able to put a similiar experience together with the upcoming Megané RS, as the level of feedback that makes the current car stand out will not be doable with EPAS steering and the lot, I presume.
Also, I had no reliability issues with the Renault ever, but that could also just happen to be a coincidence or tied to the fact that I have done only 4.500 miles so far on the car.
But anyhow, if you’re looking for the best ‘proper’ driving experience this side of a GT3 and don’t care about the stiff ride, make sure to try one of the Meganés out before they become classics.
Because its too dangerous when vtec kicked in yo
I still don’t understand the concept of hard-core super-powerful FWD cars. Like, what’s their purpose?
If it’s just the racetrack and turning the person behind the steering wheel into a better and happier driver, than you can spend your £30-35k on a Lotus Elise, which is mid-engined, RWD, light and as pure and fun as it can be.
If it’s for your daily commute, than there are cars which are much more comfortable to live with.
If it’s for a bit of both? Than a Focus RS or a Golf R will do a much better job for the same price.
Yes, they might be slower round the ‘ring, BUT they are going to be faster on real-world roads due to AWD, AND they are going to be as fun (Focus RS for sure) and yet be more comfortable and easy to live with. And if you particularly don’t like AWD cars there is always M135i (or M140i rather).
So I honestly don’t see much point in these cars. It’s like they’ve been built for the sole purpose of beating that ‘ring record and boosting the company’s brand image. I believe that If it’s FWD, it has to be fun, but also affordable, such as brilliant Fiesta ST. And if its more powerful than 260-280bhp than it should be either AWD or RWD.
Maybe I’m wrong and maybe if I was to drive the Type R I’d change my mind, but still if I wanted a car to enjoy for £30k+ there is no way I’d be looking at FWD cars.