Redux: Why American cars tend to have big engines.
This isn’t actually the first time I’ve made a blogpost like this. For those of you who don’t remember, I made one about two years ago on the exact same subject. Why am I doing it again then? Simple, I can explain more reasons now than I could then.
This isn’t actually the first time I’ve made a blogpost like this. For those of you who don’t remember, I made one about two years ago on the exact same subject. Why am I doing it again then? Simple, I can explain more reasons now than I could then. Not only this but I can give better explanations for the same reasons too. If you want to read the original you can in the link down below. This also won’t be the first time I redo an old article either.
With the nostalgia trip done. Lets move on shall we?
1: Big Engine + Low Compression = Happy Reliability.
This is a point that has been stated over and over and over and over again. However, it’s worth restating because it’s still true and is relevant to the points I’m trying to make.
Typically with smaller engines, higher compression is needed to make more power. Even when you add on turbos and other forced induction goodies the car will still be running a higher stress level than an engine with the same power but bigger displacement. Smaller engines can’t take as much added stress compared to a bigger (less stressed) engine. Smaller engines simply require more work to make them less prone to breaking under high pressure (from HP and PSI due to turbocharging). A small engine will need higher compression (and potentially turbocharging) to make 300 HP. Whereas a bigger motor under less stress can just be “built” to 300 HP (a mass generalization but I think you get the point). Leaving tons of potential left in the bigger motor. Whilst the smaller engine won’t be making much more HP without changing from stock internals.
It’s why LS motors can go on forever without needing a complete rebuild (or at the very least, they can survive longer before needing a major rebuild compared to other engines). It’s also why they can be tuned to oblivion on stock internals. Even the Viper’s V10 is extremely resistant to breaking even after you add aftermarket goodies onto it. Calvo Motorsports (an aftermarket tuning company) were testing the Gen V engine to see how much HP it could take before it broke. They got up to 1450+ whp before the engine couldn’t take it anymore. And that was with stock internals. These engines are ridiculously strong due to the low-stress nature of the engine. (Source: https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/17553-Just-picked-up-my-TT-Calvo-Motorsports-Viper Scroll down to the user “slowhatch”).
Bigger engines are easier to modify without needing extra mods (on top of the others) to keep them from blowing up in your face.
2: Dayliability/Torque.
No not that kind of daily. But how easy it is to drive a car every day. Stuff like pulling out to overtake someone or how low the revs are on the highway. That kind of Dayliability.
Bigger engines can have more torque than smaller engines. Better still, they tend to have it much lower down than smaller, turbocharged engines. Meaning you don’t have to change down as many gears just to pass someone on the highway. Or in some cases, you don’t have to go right the way up to the redline just to pass someone.
Now this next bit does delve a little bit into the whole Downsizing Fiasco we’ve been seeing in the industry for a little while now. But in short, a bigger engine in a big car will sit at a lower RPM than a smaller engine in the big car. Why? Because the engine doesn’t have to work as hard to maintain a certain speed. Imagine a 3.0 liter V6 in a something the size of a Durango. Now imagine it’s turning 1,500 RPMs when cruising. Now put a 2.0 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder in the same car and it’ll turn something close to 3,000 RPM. This is bad because the higher the RPMs go, the less fuel efficient the car as a whole will be. This is why downsizing doesn’t work for everything (and something many people should have realized a lot sooner).
3: Cost.
What I mean is the cost to make an engine. Let me draw you a picture. Lets take a 5.7 liter engine and give it 400 HP. Now take a 2.4 liter engine and also give it 400 HP. Now put both engines in the same car (not at the same time) and the car with the 2.4 liter engine will be more expensive. Why? Because engineering costs. The amount of over-engineering it would take to make the 4 cylinder engine even handle 400 hp (much less being reliable at it) is far more than the cost of simply building the 5.7 liter engine to 400 hp in the first place (I use “building the engine to X hp” as a generalization). This also leaves room for the 5.7 liter engine to become more powerful (because there is still room left in the tune). Whereas the 2.4 is pretty much at the limit of power. Major changes would be needed to get much more out of (essentially getting rid of the stock internals).
This also cuts cost in the aftermarket department. The 5.7 will be able to handle more power before the switch from stock internals will be necessary (stuff like bolt on parts and other quick but effective mods). Whereas the 2.4 will need to change right from the get go. Only then will the addition of power be a possibility without blowing the engine to bits (for the most part).
Of course some people would say “just build the smaller engine with better parts.” But that would be completely missing the point. Better parts = More expensive parts and thus means the engine will be even more expensive on top of that (and that will affect how expensive the car utilizing the engine is).
This isn’t the only part where cost comes into play though. In America there isn’t a tax on engine size. Whereas other countries do have taxes. The bigger the engine, the bigger the cost (of the tax). So it simply doesn’t matter how big the engine is here (in America).
4: Weight.
Chart made by Flux 7.0! No better way to illustrate this than with a chart! Thanks man!
Big engines don’t always mean heavy engines. The Viper’s 8.4 liter V10 is all aluminum. And LS motors can (depending on generation) weigh less than competing engines. And because engines of this they tend to be N/A (all motor power ftw). The engines also are comparatively smaller than engines using forced induction. Not to mention that instant throttle response. Giving you that “pushed back in your seat” feeling that can be hard to match otherwise. N/A engines (especially pushrod engines or cam-in-block engines) are lower than engines with Dual-Overhead cams or superchargers and can be narrower than engines with turbos because it’s just motor in the enginebay. Rather than add on goodies in the engine bay taking up space (how much space you have left is completely car specific). So it’s no wonder that these engines can be lower and lighter than their forced induced counterparts.
And that’s it! Thank you for taking the time to read this article! If I’ve forgotten anything then do please tell me down below. Once again thank you all for reading and I’ll see you guys next time.
Comments
That’s why when i see a new 1.x litre engines that are “squeezed” by manufacturers to have at least 200hp cough Elantra Sport, Civic, Ford Focus cough, a little part of my heart died for the engines having to suffer that kind of machine cruelty :(((
Yeah, although it is wildly impressive at the same time.
check BMW M12 engine 1.5l made 850 bhp
Yeah, pretty much
also, america is flippin huge so it’s not a surprise that we like our horsepower
Good article but kind of missing the point … LS and viper engines have no DOHC and that is why their power / L is so bad. They are therefore also quite RPM limited and simply do not perform as well as engines with bigger RPM range. The missing DOHC is also the reason that they weigh much less. You mentioned the DOHC but don’t see the significance of the absence. When the US is starting to use mid-engines they can fit DOHC and will get proper HP out these blocks.
“ simply do not perform as well as engines with bigger RPM range.” Where did you get that from? The Viper and Corvette have little issue keeping up with much more expensive OHC cars. There are LS motors that have pretty high redlines (like crate motors)
Sure they don’t have high RPM ranges, but then the trade off is that their power band is more usable. Because the power (ideally) spread is out perfectly through the RPM range without there being a massive spike in HP or a massive dip in Torque.
And yes, the Viper’s Power per Liter isn’t great (no one said it is). But again, it does have that torque to fall back on. I get there are uses for Power per Liter as a measurement, but as an argument, I find it kinda weak.
Another advantage of not having DOHC is the height of the engine. No DOHC means lower engines and that means the engine has a lower center of gravity. High RPMs can be fine, but not when you have to rev the engine all the to the top of the redline just to pass someone, Having lower RPMs does have its merits as well.
I don’t think I’m missing a point here. I know the downsides of both big engines and smaller engines, I was never trying to say why one was better than the other. More so why things are the way they are here for those who don’t understand (and why some automakers choose to go this route). Also, there really is no “proper HP.” Each way of making HP has its good and bad qualities, but trying to set a “there can only be one way of doing it” standard is kinda silly. Cam-in-block and pushrods are old technology sure, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t viable ways of making HP.
I mean, they got 450 HP out of the Viper V10 during the Gen 2 (460 for the ACR). So it’s not like it’s anything to sneeze at. Besides, they didn’t squeeze as much power out of the engine for cooling reasons (track temperates are ridiculous compared to regular every-day temperates). That and CO2 reasons (especially during the Gen 5’s development).
This was an amazing read! Well done!
Great article! I think points 1 and 2 are big reasons why i love having the 5.2L V8 in my 97 Grand Cherokee. Almost 200k on it, and runs great! I can pull on the highway pretty good, and ive heard of these lasting 300k+ miles without a rebuild. When i cruise 70, it only turns at 2100rpm with 3.73 gears.
Nice! Have you done any “Jeep Things” in it? Lol sorry, couldn’t resist.
Reason 5. This is ‘Merica and we’re excessive
Europe: “Squeeze all the HPs!”
Someone should make a meme for both haha
Well, they just sound amazing too, and since decades the amount of power was related with the size of the engine. A 427 was generally more powerful than a 350, which was generally more powerful than a 289. And well, they were easy to build and extremely reliable: V8s are common since 1930s in America, when Ford decided to start the production of the Ford V8, which was (somehow) affordable and more powerful than old 4 bangers.
I thought it was the owners overcompensating for something…
Whatever happened to people just wanting and liking cars for what they are…..
The put downs are just unnecessary.
The cars just generally fit the roads there better. The japanese have tiny 660cc kei cars but they were designed to drive in a very tight city. American roads are giant wide airport runway like highways. So its logical you’d want a low revving giant v8 to cruise along. You wouldnt take a 66 chevelle into tokyo and you wouldnt take a kei car onto an american interstate highway.
I was two seconds away from (passively) disagreeing with you but you’re right. I’d hate to have a Suzuki Cappuccino right next to an 18 wheeler lol.
Stop the hate, get a v8! (Coming from a Jdm fanboy). Mad good post man!
Thanks man! I greatly appreciate that!
Also, that’d be great for a t-shirt!